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The guys are in the shop again to talk bowling. This week they discuss the recent release of oil patterns for the US Open BEFORE the tournament dates. They also discuss layout options to answer a viewers question.
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Austin Van Buren
Music:
Active Aggression
Thank you.
It kind of helped them advance.
I mean, do you think this is a conspiracy?
Gotta go with Jacob Butter.
Gotta go lefty.
We're talking about the players.
That's a tournament champion.
There he is right there.
Oh, he doesn't even know how to watch.
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Welcome to Downlane Podcast.
We are streaming live from the lab at Town & Country Lanes.
I'm your host, Kyle Haynes, and with me is the, forget him, Michael.
Skatia's in the house tonight.
What's up, buddy?
I'm doing good.
How are you guys?
Great.
Also, also.
The lab is active right now.
It is.
Lab is.
If everyone can see.
Lab has got the beakers and the, what's the other thing?
It's Thursday?
I didn't know what was going on.
I thought you guys were just here to get your stuff drilled.
It's Wednesday, Jimmy.
So, yes, with us is the assistant to the host, finally, Anthony Skatia.
Welcome to the show.
Hey guys, it's great to be here for a guest for the 13th week in a row.
I'm really excited to get started today and kind of stop cutting me off.
I'm trying.
You just stop and pause and go and pause and go and pause.
That's my cadence.
I think William Shakespeare or Circadian Rhythm, I think that was called.
I thought we were a bullet channel.
When did we get into poetry?
Were we a bullet channel?
That's what you're learning about, Michael?
You're learning about poetry right now?
I haven't learned about poetry yet.
Circadian Rhythm, look it up.
With us, as always, is producer Austin at the helm, taking control of things.
What's going on, Austin?
Just being a button pusher.
Lost the cap already.
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Tonight, we will be talking about the USBC's decision to release all of the oil patterns for the US Open.
What?
Ahead of the schedule.
And we'll get into why that happened.
Does that mean the OCs are... We get to...
We're also going to talk about some drilling layouts.
Some layouts?
Yep.
Talk about layouts?
Yep.
Our buddy Tom, he asked us about.
Tom Scamboloni.
That's right.
He asked us about drilling angles.
And specifically, the other night, he was asking me, you know,
He had like a 70 by 30 or something and a 4.5 or 4-inch pin.
And he's like, it's supposed to skid flip, but I'm not sure if it's working right.
And we kind of talked a little bit more.
So we'll get into drilling angles and layouts and buffer if you want to talk about buffer stuff.
But we'll talk about that a little bit later.
Rotation, tilt, reverie, ball speed.
All important.
Rabbit hole.
With that being said, how was your guys' week this week?
I think we should talk about our performance this weekend.
go for it you had the you had a adult junior tournament at uh town boulevard boulevard is there another one at town yeah there was oh lots of adult junior tournaments going on um it's a great time for it um me and michael decided bowl uh we wanted home field advantage so we decided to build the boulevard one um it was bakers nine pin no tap so uh i brought my spare ball for no reason um
But I mean, hey.
You didn't leave any buckets this time?
No, I left no buckets.
I left one.
I think me and Michael calculated it correctly.
I think we really missed once.
I only missed once.
Wow.
Michael Bolt, exceptional.
We averaged, what did we average?
268.21.
I made those last two numbers up.
Oh, okay.
268.
It was 269.
And we came in second.
Wow.
Well, that's what you get with no tap, man.
You failed to mention when you told us that in the text message, by the way, you failed to mention that it was no tap.
So you're like, yeah, we shot 250, 260.
I'm like, wow, that's pretty good.
And then how do you know it was no tap?
He just said it.
You said it too.
Or you said it.
Somebody said it.
Either one of you said no tap.
Are you sure?
That's how we were thrown at all 10.
Yeah, you can throw at all 10, but if you leave a stick, it's an X. Actually, Michael and I bowled great.
I used the hazmat pin down.
Michael used a plethora of bowling balls.
What did you go through, Michael?
I first started off with a hustle.
Wine.
And I put... Oh, yeah, you rolled it around the parking lot before I got there.
The ball hooked at his toes.
I hooked it on my toes.
360, 180.
Oh, that's it?
Yeah.
No, but this was like... He must have been rubbing it for hours.
Two minutes.
uh uh uh and then you went from that thanks and then you went from that thanks and then you went from that thanks jessica thank you i appreciate the uh jessica thank you i appreciate the uh jessica thank you i appreciate the uh comment on the necklace you went comment on the necklace you went comment on the necklace you went from a hustle to a zen from a hustle to a zen from a hustle to a zen zen was shiny thank god
I know, I have a shiny ball.
That was the only shiny ball you had with you.
We actually bowled pretty good.
And we got two slices of pizza after.
That's what we were looking forward to as a team.
I had no idea what it cost.
I had no idea what it was.
I just knew we were bowling together.
And second place fish, Michael got $75 in scholarship money.
So if you don't go to college, I'll take my $75.
Sorry.
But yeah, so it was good.
We had a good time.
Well done, guys.
Well done.
Thank you.
Best part about it, definitely the food.
food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one that's what we were there for food was number one
Did something different, by the way.
Two strikes?
They did.
Not you.
No, I did something different.
Oh, okay.
The past couple weeks, I've been getting a lot of wet dry.
So I forced the issue this week and just killed the break point with my GB2.
And then the second game, I moved all the way left and just threw the GB4 hybrid to the dry spot.
That is such a good ball.
I love my GB4 hybrid.
You mean like Kyle's GB4 hybrid?
My 14 pounder.
I did have three bills on Tuesday.
Three what?
Three bills.
I got a 300 game?
And we just had three bills from Lefty, one of the Kent brothers out there.
I can't tell which one it is.
He only throws the beast from 1942.
Is that Stephanie's beast?
No, but we just had three bills.
Matt Kent.
Okay.
Nice.
Nice guy.
That's our first runner on the show, maybe?
I think we've had one.
Oh, Dave's had one.
Yeah.
I think that was this year, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah, rare occurrence.
I did have three bills myself.
Nice.
Congratulations.
That means $300.
Would you finish the rest of the night?
Oh, yeah.
$240, $211, $300.
So it was Tuesday night, not Thursday night.
It was today's Thursday.
Yeah, but a week ago was Thursday, too.
Anyway, you said Thursday.
Oh, you count Thursday in?
No, you said Thursday.
Okay.
Play it back.
I really don't remember.
Tuesday night, I shot three bills Tuesday with my Black Widow 2.0 hybrid.
Let's keep this moving before people fall asleep.
How do they fall asleep?
Me and Mike, you're like peanut butter and jelly.
Okay.
Wow.
But we did have a good practice session last night.
We did.
What did we do for you, Kyle?
Well, we got a couple new rocks.
One I already had was a GB4.
And that one just, it's so stupid how good that ball rolls.
But we also put out a lower volume pattern to try to mimic some head friction, which we see in basically everywhere else other than here.
Even when they have Pro Lane, except for out in Vegas, it seems pretty slick out there.
But anyway, yeah, so we put out a low volume pattern.
And then we drilled up a exotic gem.
75 by 4.5 by 35.
35, yes.
Thank you.
Try to give it some whip.
Whip and nae nae.
Whip.
um and it does it does whip um i was maybe hoping for a little bit more reaction from the right but maybe we can gets a little more forward it gets a little too forward too quick for you uh down lane um from what you were experiencing but it really wasn't that bad it just
I don't know.
We were using a low-volume pattern and curve.
So it was slowing down a lot.
And we laid 24 mils out, like you said.
So it's a little stickier of an oil.
And with 24 mils, the fronts really did burn up.
So seeing it get through.
It was like three shots, and you had to move.
It was crazy.
It was good, though, to see your ball get down lane and still corner pretty well.
Because that means it should be a little bit better, hopefully.
But if I got to the right part of the lane, it worked really good.
Your GB4 was better.
Yeah, it read a lot sooner.
it read but it never came offline until later down later which was nice yep um so it never really missed the mid lane that much but it doesn't overreact off the mid lane so yeah that's 50 that's five and a half by 30 i think yes yes that's about right kyle still rotation are not friendly
low tilt uh actually no you're you're actually better now i think i am better i didn't increase it a little bit you increased it still pretty low compared to most people no you're right around you're actually just a step below me i'm a step outside of the perfect range in terms of more tilt uh you're actually um right at the you're right where i am but my rotation i think i think my rotation is less than yours
I don't know.
I think you're 55 degrees and it's either you're 55 or I'm 55 and one of us is 45.
I'm not sure.
I don't really care too much.
As long as it strikes.
That's all that matters.
Purple hammer.
Mikey.
Yeah.
How's Saturday mornings go?
I had 665.
For which shift?
The PM shift.
But you get the AM shift.
Come on.
Don't leave out the bad stuff.
Oh, well, they're good.
Michael Bowles both shifts.
Yeah, he double shifts on Saturdays.
And then I bowl on Sundays.
Kid's nuts, dude.
Nine years weekends.
So Michael Bowles AM, PM, and then this Sunday he bowled Travel League at Boulevard, Adult Child at Boulevard.
Wow, how'd you do in travel?
Which wasn't really travel.
It wasn't travel.
You didn't travel anywhere.
It was good.
You had 660, right?
I did have 660, yeah.
Wow, 660, 660, 660.
Yeah.
What did you have to say, though?
560.
580.
580 is good, especially when you go... Who was at Green Island today?
Green Island.
That's good.
Anyway, good bowling this week.
Good bowling.
Are you going to say that to me?
No.
As the meme says, was that on a sports chat?
No.
I only shoot them when they really count, Kyle.
That's right.
On a challenge shot.
Is the Challenger sport in Massachusetts?
It was like 5-1.
No, it was 4-1, I think, this year.
Something like that.
It doesn't matter.
At least it was a little bit more challenging.
Did they release the pattern?
They did.
For Massachusetts?
Yeah, they did.
Speaking of releasing the pattern, let's get right into it.
Let's jump into it.
The USBC... Nice segue, Michael.
The USBC has announced the patterns for the... Not just the US Open, but also the Team USA trials.
So...
Jeff Riggles of 11th Frame got this article out because the people that are bowling the U.S.
Open got an email.
So it wasn't like widely announced, but the people that are bowling the U.S.
Open got an email stating that the patterns being released and basically
You know, when that came out, we were all hoping, like, oh, maybe they'll release the pattern for the OCs.
But it turns out the reason why they're releasing the pattern is really just because Rob Gottschall, who is the short-duration tournament director, is leaving the USBC and going to a ball manufacturer for his new career.
and uh they didn't want which i think is a kind of a smart move on their point uh their part they didn't want to have any reason too much interference right they didn't want to have any reason that they would uh be accused of sharing the pattern with certain people like if rob shared it with whoever he's working for now um so they just got ahead of that and just announced the patterns what i'm really looking forward to seeing is what the scores are going to be like out there because they look dumb
Well, the same exact patterns as last year.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I just think it's a joke.
OCs?
Yeah.
No, for the US Open.
They've got the middle finger pattern again.
Yeah.
43 feet, 43 feet.
They don't have the same pattern?
Exactly the same patterns as last year.
Yeah, middle finger pattern, 39 flat, and then... They're going to have the double hook one?
49 flat.
49 flat.
I mean, it's a...
And the fourth pattern, once you make it to match play, is a speed bump.
I didn't get that far.
Hammerhead.
Oh, the eye pattern.
I love that type of pattern because my ball just rolls right up into it.
But so anyway, I don't I don't particularly like these.
Are we going to get into the patterns?
You can talk about the patterns if you want.
I just think they're I just I don't know.
But the problem is, is when you get into patterns that are really low ratio like this, which literally one to one.
Yeah.
Which they all are one point two five one to one and the other one's one point six.
So they're all one to one.
I just feel as if now this is my opinion and I'm not an end all be all by any means, but.
When you get into a lower ratio pattern, you start to show topography more.
And I guess it's over a certain amount of time.
So it's not as big as of a deal because everybody's going to have six games on this for three days.
Everybody basically hits the same lanes.
Sure.
Whatever it is.
Well, I just don't feel as if I mean, hopefully they have a little bit of play room.
and they're playable.
I mean, I just don't... I think it's just silly to do the one-to-one stuff because then you end up winding up hitting two bad pairs in a set, and you... I mean, you're only going to shoot 180, 200, really.
I mean, maybe the scores will be higher.
I mean, they're really good players, but you hit a really bad three pairs or the guys transition really funky on a pair.
I mean, you're SOL already.
There's no shape to the pattern.
There's nothing to help the player.
You're basically saying, well, whoever can...
Keep it close to the head pin the best is going to be fine.
So might as well just bring plastic.
Maybe.
But I mean, the whole point of the U.S.
Open is to have the cream rise to the top, as you always say.
Right.
So sure.
I mean, the guys who are most accurate and it doesn't even have to necessarily be super high rev rates or anything like that.
But the guys who are most accurate are going to be the most successful, I would say.
I can agree with that as long as they don't hit that funky pair where they get a big hang spot down lane or if they get a big hook spot in the middle.
I mean, I think you get a little too much... Regardless of the tournament, it seems as if, in the PBA events at least, those guys are always going to rise to the top because, one, they have better resources, more opportunities to throw bowling balls.
It's not even the same game as the other guys who are trying to bowl or playing.
So I don't understand...
You know, I guess I get it because you want you want them to rise to the top.
But either way, they're going to rise to the top anyways.
And if they didn't, it's their fault.
I mean, they're doing it for a living.
You know, you shouldn't be putting I just don't think that one to one is really a fair shake for anybody.
The epitome of fair.
It's a flat piece of paper out there.
Sure, sure.
I guess it's fair in your terms.
In my terms, looking at all the factors where topography plays a difference, if you're sponsored, if you have a ball rep, if you're able to drill this ball, that ball, in that point, it doesn't become fair.
Like we've talked about before, there should not be ball reps at a USBC tournament.
When you have an open tournament where you have players that are not repped, in my personal opinion, you should not have ball reps on site there.
I can agree with that.
And I think the open...
part of the name.
The Masters, if you want to change the Masters in the Open and flip it around a little bit, fine, so be it.
But the Open should be for everybody.
I don't understand the qualifying.
Well, I did look it up today.
I see it's sold out.
I think I said the same thing last year.
Maybe I didn't, but the one-to-one ratios are silly to me.
I saw a tournament
We know Greg Tack is up from around here.
Really nice guy.
Extremely good tournament director.
He does some lanes, too.
But I saw his tournament for the Grinch, the Grinch Classic.
And it's like he only oiled the left side of the lane on one on the left lane on the right side of the lane.
They only oiled it was like 10 to the gutter on each side.
It was something weird.
Yeah.
And these patterns remind me of those where the cut to make money was 175.
Now I'm all against them being, or I'm all for them being difficult.
But when you get to that level where you can, what's the point of bringing a reactive ball disease?
Seriously, scuff your ball 360 and throw missiles at the head pin.
I don't know that that's ever been successful though.
I mean, the guys tend to wear it in, at least for the righties, they'll wear it in, and then they start to move left.
So we lefties are SOL then?
I don't know.
How many lefties have won the US Open?
I don't know.
I don't particularly care.
I'm just saying, now you catch a bad pair for the lefties, and now the righties get to blow it open?
Yeah.
Really?
Heck yeah.
I mean, I guess that's okay.
Ryan Simonelli won.
I'm not fighting again.
I'm just saying my opinion on it is it's silly to put those out.
I think they're silly.
I think it tests guys' skills.
It doesn't test crap.
Why?
It doesn't test anything.
It tests how accurate you are.
It tests how well you're reading the lanes for transition.
I know you don't know what transition is.
Transition is irrelevant if you catch a bad pair.
You could, but you can always catch a bad pair anywhere.
Yeah, but if you're... Yeah, I did hit yesterday.
That was hard.
But that wasn't a bad pair by topography.
How do I know that?
Okay, well, if that's what you're talking about, topography, that's a whole different story.
But everybody's going to hit the same lanes.
They do the scattered skip where everyone... Did you hit every pair in the house during the Masters?
No.
Pretty darn close, but they... And there were specific pairs that people were complaining about.
So you do a three-day tournament with that, and that becomes an issue.
Yeah, but you don't hit the same lanes twice.
Sure.
But still, I'm shooting 200 and all of a sudden I shoot 130.
And all I'm going to do is shoot 200.
I'm not going to go plus because they're one-to-one.
And now you basically took my opportunity away.
I think they have to be hard.
That's fine.
You can make them hard and still give a shape, a body of a pattern.
Yes, they are going to transition.
The cream will always rise to the top, as you say.
So why aren't we creating the shape of a pattern so people can actually play them so I don't watch freaking people throw missiles at the head pin at
And if you're worried about topography, what about getting the topography report?
They do.
They give it to everybody.
I didn't get it at the Masters.
It was on the website.
Just because you didn't get a booklet.
I should have got a booklet.
Do I think that's... I mean, sure, you can see the topography, but even if you see it on paper, that's like...
So what?
It could play completely different when you get there.
Oh, there's going to be a hang spot at 12, and then your ball checks at 12 because they checked the topography six months ago, and the summer's different than the winter.
Or however long ago, yeah.
It could have been, like, South Points hasn't been done in three years, it says, or something like that.
At least, yeah.
So now you're going to give out false information and give me even higher of a disadvantage because now the ball rep guys are going to be like, this is from 2003.
This guy's playing the shim here, over here.
Looks like there's a big hood spot on 23.
Hey, the bad pairs in this building are 35, 36.
The average Joe don't get that.
Right.
So now you're making it, you're giving them an almost impossible pattern.
Again, we're talking about the ball reps now, but... Well, we're getting into everything now.
Well, no, I'm saying I agree that the ball reps should not be helping people, but... The patterns are silly.
I will leave it at that.
The guy who made them, he's the guy who made the Masters pattern, which was also silly.
Now, what about the release of the pattern?
That's what we're really talking about.
Oh, we're just worried about the release of the pattern?
Well, you can talk about whatever you want.
Well, gotcha left, right?
Gotcha left.
Right, so that was the reason.
But could this be a preemptive thing?
I don't know that they're actually going to do it, but like for releasing things for the Masters before you go, OCs before you go.
There's a few things that, I mean, you know, what do you think, Michael?
I do not like when they release it early.
Oh, really?
I don't.
I used to be on that page.
How many bowling balls have you shipped?
Now, let me ask you a question, Kyle.
Why are you flipping your script?
What do you mean?
I just said that.
I just said it.
I said the reason why.
Because when you go to Vegas, especially when we're going across country, we have to bring a certain set of balls, right?
So if we don't know what the pattern is going to be, especially let's say they make it short one year.
Like Reno?
Yeah.
Yeah, but that wasn't short.
The team pattern was not like 36 feet.
To prepare for doubles and singles.
Right.
Yeah, for a prime example, doubles and singles, right?
People probably would have brought some different equipment had they known that the volume of the pattern was 24 mils.
And they're using 40 mic pump or whatever it was.
They're not using a 50 mic pump.
And it's a 25-year-old lane surface.
20-year-old, whatever it is.
Now, let me ask you a question.
Do we have to put all the emails in for all the players that go with us to Nationals?
Or is the email already in the USBC for you?
We have the email.
What email are you talking about?
So when we register the players, I mean, I'm not going off topic, I promise.
When we register them on the website, does their email and stuff come up?
No.
Okay.
But they all do get notifications that they've been registered for a team.
Correct.
So they have email then.
So if they put their email with their sanction number, they will get a notification.
So my question is now, why isn't the USBC using that as a guide to send people the pattern?
So as we start to get our teams ready, we form our team and we lock our team in.
Let's say we locked our team in today.
Okay.
Well, the patterns are released January 1st, let's say, for the OCs or for the US Open or for whatever it is.
But as soon as you get your information in, boom, an email goes to your phone and that's what it is.
And now it's like, hey, there's a reason to pre-register.
Now, of course, it'll circulate the internet.
But maybe the topography report, you get a topography report or you get a...
You get a lane chart report or a lot of other things that go with it.
Why not put the incentive out there?
I'm going to bowl the U.S.
Open.
Boom, I register for the U.S.
Open.
The age of the lane surface is there.
The topography is on there.
The lane patterns are there.
What oil they're going to use.
The oil schedule.
The finer details.
Why can't those be in that?
Instead of just, oh, we're going to release the pattern.
Yeah, congratulations.
Why not make it a...
A package deal.
Get these guys to sign up early.
Get these people to commit and be like, listen, once you fill up your spot, I mean, obviously it's going to circulate, which sucks, but you can have your own thing where it's like, yeah, I can go through the booklet because nobody's going to post the topography from South Point.
Nobody's going to post the extras.
Yeah, sure.
The post patterns.
It's all on the website now.
Sure, it's now, but I mean, it's not updated.
Not the pattern, though.
Not the lane pattern.
But yeah, the topography reports from who knows when, 2016 or something.
I think we looked at it.
It's a little older.
It's not that nearby.
But what we looked at and what we bowled on, it was pretty close out there.
But I'm just saying, that's the thing.
Why isn't there more information used and guided there?
If they're going to give out more information, use it through the email portal.
Yeah.
Especially for US Open and for the Masters.
Because once you give them all that stuff, give them like a month.
Give them like a month before.
I don't know.
And once they get that email in, let them do that.
Personally, don't give the shots out.
You want the shots to be hidden.
I'm okay with that.
See, I used to feel the same exact way, but I've changed my tune a little bit now that we have to travel more often.
I understand.
I understand where you're coming from.
We brought 30 bowling balls each to the Masters last year.
No, I brought 15 or 18.
Okay.
I brought that.
Okay.
So maybe we brought 30 or 40 together.
Yes.
Um, so, um, I, I don't really, that doesn't bother me because when I'm going to travel, I'm going to, I'm going to drive.
I'm not going to, the other thing that was, well, no, you're not going to fly to Vegas.
We are for the open championships.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
But the open championships to me, they keep it usually relatively close enough.
Purple hammer.
100% of the time.
Here's what I'm thinking.
What if they find that releasing the patterns early, which they've been hiding them on the US Open for probably just as long as the OCs.
I think it was 2013 somebody told us.
It's been roughly around that.
What if they find the scoring pace is exactly the same
as when we didn't release it last year.
Well, we both know that bowling out there in the environment that it creates itself, plus the lane surface, the oil.
I think that's the biggest thing.
It doesn't make a difference.
It's always going to be different.
The environment, absolutely, is one factor.
But I think the biggest factor that I've been learning a lot as far as since we've been traveling a lot more is the lane surface for sure.
yeah that's the number one important thing you can practice all you want at home if your topography is way different or if your lane surface is way older or newer vice versa it's going to completely change doesn't even matter the age it's more lineage right is it a high lineage center how old is it and what's the lineage like right what's the games about like um should all bowling centers have a topography report available for the bowlers uh do you want to go first i have a
So I think it should be like just like you get a green, not a green.
What are they?
Whatever on the green report.
Like when you go golfing, you have the layout of the course, right?
Sure.
It's a little different.
Obviously, you got to know where it's on the phone now.
I know.
I'm just saying you got to know where your ball is going.
But still, I think it does make sense.
I still don't.
Here's my biggest thought on that is.
You've got an invisible lane surface.
That's fine.
When we bowl on wood, if you went from a house to a house to a house, generally speaking, it seemed like the lanes were kind of the same-ish.
Not saying the lanes were exactly the same, but you didn't have to distrust what you were bowling on, if that's a good way to put it.
Whereas now with plastic or synthetic, it can change.
And wood lanes did move with the weather, but these things can change so fast and a lot.
and can affect ball motion a lot.
And it all depends on how they were installed.
When you sand a wood lane,
it, if you're good, will be flat.
And then if, but- There's less movement.
What's that?
There's less movement in wood.
Exactly.
So all of those factor in.
So yes, I agree.
I think, or I, to answer your question, I believe it would be nice if they all had a topography report.
And, sorry, with the way that the USBC is supposed to be doing these new certifications, they should be able to provide you a map because it gives you the readouts with their machine.
That's what I was getting at.
If we're going to force bowling centers to do it, it needs to be USBC's priority to actually do it.
Yeah.
And they're doing it now.
You shouldn't force the proprietors to have to fund that.
No.
They fund it anyways with the payment of the certification.
Yes.
And we had a couple of bowling centers around us get their testing done already.
I think it's pointless.
They skipped over here.
I think it's pointless.
pointless to have a readout or have the, what are you talking about?
Your home center.
I think it's kind of just whatever.
Yeah.
I mean, the home.
Yeah.
But if you go from, if you go away from your home center, it would be nice to have that information.
Yeah.
I mean, it'd be, it'd be nice to have the information.
I will say that, um, as we've traveled more, I've started to pay a little bit less to topography or thought process of that.
And I'm actually just more thinking about, uh, the amount of lineage at the center.
I'm not even really thinking about the topography anymore.
Yeah.
Um, because first of all, topography gets in your head.
Then you say, Oh, this lane sucks.
There are no bad lanes.
You're just not adjusting properly.
Of course I said, well, if a guy catches a bad pair, but yeah,
regardless if you have a if you have a clearly agree yeah if you have a crowned lane i can understand why you're not striking yeah but on the house on the house shots in the way that all the centers are built now um i don't even like built but with the synthetic lanes there always is quite a big dish in the lane um so i don't i don't particularly you guys want to say
Oh, you're elbowing me like you got something to say.
Oh, okay.
You talking to me?
So I think the topography report at your home center isn't as important, especially because the only time topography truly shows is when you get lower ratios on the lanes in terms of oil pattern.
Once you go into these house shots where it's a higher ratio or something like that, I think there's always dry to the right and there's always a little bit of hold in the middle.
So you just got to find out how to play them.
So for the average Joe in the average house, I don't think it's particularly –
um as important um as as some like to make it yeah well and i also think if you're bowling on a house shot it's completely irrelevant anyway yeah you probably just said it but the the the pattern forgiveness exactly the tapers in the pattern on my mind always just thinks kind of tournament bowling hard stuff it would be nice to walk into a center and have that information
Right, and I think it'd be important when you go to the bigger tournaments or those type of tournaments.
Like when we go to your place, Michael, your synthetics are a little older.
So a lot of times what we see is we see the lanes hook earlier.
And are they the SPLs in terms of the HPLs or vice versa?
We have SPLs, they have HPLs.
Okay, so they're the hooking ones anyway.
Well, the SPLs are still a higher friction one, but ours are just newer.
And with all the bowling that Boulevard's had over the past X amount of years, of course, that's what the panels end up being like around the center.
So we're used to seeing that front hook when we go to other places.
Here, it's not so much.
But I just feel like because it's already built in friction from all the scratches and all the lineage and all the bowling that just happens on these lanes, it's not nearly as important for topography.
If you've got a 50,000s dish and your lane's 20 years old and you've got a high lineage center,
they going to hook.
It's going to hook anyway.
It doesn't matter if there's 50 or 30 or 20, there's going to be built in friction.
So it almost becomes irrelevant.
The only time that topography for me is really important is, is those bigger tournaments where the lanes are flatter.
In this case, 49 feet, one to one, 43 feet, one to one,
or 39 feet one-to-one.
You'll see a lot of specialty hammer balls or whatever they are coming out.
None of the U.S.
Open.
They're going to be using purple all day.
Purple and pitch black.
Oh, the U.S.
Open is... We'll see a lot of those.
Purple!
So anyway, back to the original point, I think me personally, especially for the average Joe's and the travelers that need to pick what balls are going to bring.
It's nice to know what the what the oil pattern would be if they did that for the OC.
And I think if the USBC should pay attention, not that they're not going to be paying attention, but they should look at the scoring pace and see if it's changed at all.
Maybe that's what they're doing with this.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm hoping that's what they're doing.
But if they realize that it hasn't changed at all, then there's no reason to keep hiding the pattern for every other tournament.
I do have a thought on this topic.
So I think a lot of your bowlers that are kind of a step down from where we are,
they when you create that big of a tournament and you share patterns they're not coming regardless of scoring pace because those pros are are working on that they're practicing guys like us we're practicing the average joes that don't have you know maybe they don't they can't practice on it maybe you're going to say yeah it's not worth it i don't stand a chance so you can understand i think i think sharing sharing a pattern for that big of a tournament
you're going to steer away the entry level you're going to steer away the entry level you're going to steer away the entry level guys guys guys that you want to come but but i'll argue that that you want to come but but i'll argue that that you want to come but but i'll argue that they they they already know it's difficult already know it's difficult already know it's difficult like like like yeah but they've been there before they yeah but they've been there before they yeah but they've been there before they know it's hard know it's hard know it's hard i don't think they care about that i don't think they care about that i don't think they care about that though i think they care about knowing though i think they care about knowing though i think they care about knowing whether the other competition is going to whether the other competition is going to whether the other competition is going to have have have a step up a step up a step up not just a step up a huge step up not just a step up a huge step up not just a step up a huge step
But I would also say, like we were just talking about, I don't know how much practicing on it would be even relevant because of the difference in lane surface and topography, et cetera, at whatever bowling alley that you're bowling at with putting the oil pattern down.
And the oil, which they will probably tell you, oh, we're using fire forward or ice, whatever, but they might not even ever use that lane oil.
Yeah.
so it might not even be relevant again so all those things i think just factor into not mattering when they release it to me it's all about ball choice so like if i see it's again for example that doubles and singles pattern that we had this year worth 24 mils and it was 30 whatever nine or eight or seven feet i forget 30 39 but you could you could at least uh try to uh
preemptively guess.
I don't know.
You can, you know, I mean, it'd be nice.
I don't even care if I see the pattern, maybe the length and the sure.
I'll take anything at this point and volume and ratio would be fine.
Right.
Because then you can kind of get close to and you can understand what you're bowling on.
The better bowlers are still going to find out how to – the better bowlers are going to be better anyways.
But if you give everybody an idea, we can at least try to help our people.
But the other side of the argument is even though I'm not really for the patterns being released, if you do release them, I can help my group more often than I can without it.
Sure.
Go ahead.
The only reason I do not like the patterns to be released is if you go to the US Open and the OCs, I feel like you should be ready for the pattern that you're about to be bowling on.
Ready for anything?
Yeah, exactly.
Junior Gold, they don't release the pattern until you bowl, right?
It was exactly like US Open.
You don't know the pattern.
Previously.
I stole from Junior Gold.
I do not know the pattern.
Well, I looked at them already.
Yeah, they released it.
You may not have checked.
We checked for you.
Thank you.
Thank you for bringing it for me.
Don't worry about it.
Didn't we bowl on that?
No, I don't think so.
I just think it's an interesting thing.
How about how about why is it getting released?
Because he's leaving to go to a ball manufacturer.
Yeah, they didn't want to.
They didn't want it to look like he had any influence on any of those bowlers bowling.
Well, let's be honest.
How do you even know that those patterns are really kept a secret?
I don't know.
I mean.
You're just going on scouts honor at that point.
Yeah, he could be.
I mean, I'm not even talking about Rob.
I'm just talking about for everything like the OCs for U.S.
Open.
How do you know that these high end guys up in the they don't have friends who know what it is?
Are you really speculating?
I'm just saying you have a conspiracy theorist hat somewhere.
You've been listening to someone named Alex.
He doesn't know what you're talking about.
No idea.
I just think it could be definitely a possibility.
sure anybody can leak any information of course it is how do you know that that you're telling me that that one guy who makes the pattern doesn't talk to anybody
I'm sure that he does.
I mean, he's no, I don't know, top secret agent.
He's like talking to his man like, yeah, I've had a few drinks.
Oh, yeah, I made it.
It's 38 feet, 25 mils.
I don't know.
Just bring a ball, don't hook.
I don't know.
I think for the US Open this year, they should have changed the pattern and not kept the same.
Yeah, I wonder why they kept it the same.
For people who bowled on it last year, it's an advantage for them, for people who are bowling it this year.
The cream always rises to the top, right?
I agree.
It does.
They should have changed it.
They should change it every year.
I like that.
I like Michael's point.
I mean, you know, it is what it is.
The thing with the US Open patterns, even though they're slightly different, they're always similar.
They always use the flat pattern.
It's okay.
I'm okay with using similar stuff, but just kind of, you know, put a little bit of shape in there.
Just make it a little bit
just looks goofy let me let me bring up one other point not about the oil patterns so let's freaking get it going so there's a bunch of ways to qualify right for for the u.s open to be ways to qualify right yes i thought you said it was a waste no there are a bunch of different ways to qualify for a direct entry
without having a PTQ.
OK, so you've got like U.S.
Open winners the last 10 years, Masters winner three years, World Championship winner last three years, Tournament of Champions last three years, Players Championship last three years, et cetera, et cetera.
Right.
The O.C.
's the last three years you can for the regular all events that gets you in just all events, regular all events, just all events.
Right.
Not a single event.
Yeah.
All events.
That's what I said.
All of them.
Then there's a few PBA 50s and junior golds.
You 20 get to get get in.
Then I find.
Well, would you look at this?
There's Jimmy Allen.
No, it was Pete Weber this year.
Yeah.
He had to apply.
He must have applied.
Then.
OK, then the top 75 on the PBA points list is.
And then all the way down the bottom, top one from each of the 2024 U.S.
Open regional qualifiers.
Take a guess how many regional qualifiers there were.
Four.
Split the difference.
It was two.
I was going to say two.
Two in the entire country.
One in Iowa and one in Illinois.
Okay.
Yeah, they don't really – that's how my dad made the U.S.
Open was a qualifier up at Pine Lanes.
But that's how you make this.
So you mentioned earlier that the U.S.
Open is not really open.
They should flip-flop the Masters because the Masters is wide open.
Well, see, yeah, the golf does the open where they have, like, a certain day it's got to be or a certain week.
And they have these huge – it's like Masters Week or something where they all the – not, like, legit Masters Week, but, like, all the country clubs have, like, a spot.
Right.
And everybody plays for it, including the pro at the place, I think, including Bowles in it.
Right.
So that's my point is there should be at least eight or ten regional qualifiers.
Eight or ten is a little low.
I did say at least.
I will.
But I just want to throw in there.
They're saying regional.
What region?
They're in one region for both of those.
Iowa and Illinois.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
Like.
I don't know how you apply to be a regional qualifier.
I don't know how many are able to fit in, but this is how you should make it an open tournament, the U.S.
Open.
There should be however many regions to make the field, the winners of those tournaments to make the field.
It shouldn't even really be the winners.
I think they should take a lot of that other foobar out.
Yeah, you're saying all of the other champions, 75 points less, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, obviously, if you're a 75-point list getter, you should have no problem making a regional qualifier.
Then you would have, if you took all of those spots out, which is like...
Yeah, you're doing a bunch.
40 or 50 spots.
You're doing a bunch, which makes it more open.
The reason why it's not 75 is because a bunch of these guys already got in through their championships.
Give the top 25.
I mean, the top 75 on the tour, they only have 60 in event.
How does that make sense?
They only have what?
Oh, 60 in event.
Regionals.
Regional points count towards your PBA points list.
I was 88th.
188th.
Same difference, Kyle.
Come on.
So I had no idea.
Somebody texted me that today.
I think it was Nick.
He's like, hey, you're 188th.
And I was like, good, I bowled two events.
Yeah.
So you could bowl a bunch of events and you can get into the US Open.
Anyway.
Did my master count?
Is my master's count?
Towards PBA points?
I can't remember.
I think it does.
It should.
Point being, there should be regionals that make the field, right?
Why aren't they ran by the PBA?
Why aren't they partnering together is my question.
I don't know.
Because if the PBA already has a base and they already create a schedule and a region, all the regions are there.
Why not just be like, listen, you guys are going to run one extra term in a year.
It's going to be on, make it all the same pattern.
Like don't change it.
Make every place the same pattern.
Be like, listen, we're going to choose places that have similar lineage or similar lane surface.
I mean, that can't be that hard to find within five years or something.
um because i'm sure they know because they have to know for the pva anyways pick a few centers and and do a do a qual do rpi or rpi same same type of thing yeah rpi qualifier don't even do the top four but do like you know make it like a bigger event you know that's what what should really happen
Although, I mean, even though you can be a non-member and bowl in the PBA regionals, again, my idea is open.
Everything should be wide open.
Anybody should be able to enter those regional qualifiers.
You should be able to enter that event, yeah.
It should be run by the PBA or by the USBC if it's a local association or whatever.
I mean, they already have the software for it and the USBC numbers, so it's not like it's going out of the way or anything.
Yeah.
There should be more regional qualifiers.
They should at least have 25 to 30.
100% agree.
I mean, there's no other way.
Especially if they're only going to take the top one.
Right, yeah.
In this format, they're saying only the winner can make it in.
But maybe if there's a bunch of spots that are left open, you can have... You get 100 guys, you're going to take one guy?
Like, you might as well... That's one in 100.
How does golf and tennis and whatever work for the U.S.
Open?
I'm not completely sure, Kyle.
Well, I know golf has regions.
Not just regions, but there are regional qualifiers or country club qualifiers, whatever it is.
I think for golf, you have to qualify for the U.S.
Open.
Yes.
I think you have to come in like top.
It's like the top two for each personal country club or whatever it is.
Or top five or something like that.
I don't think that'll even get you into the U.S.
Open.
I think then you have to go
Then you have to go to another event, maybe.
Another qualifier.
It's a possibility, yeah.
But it's definitely a little bit of a broken system.
I agree.
It's kind of like the good old boys club.
You let the same people in every year.
Like we've always talked about, you can't get the other people to break into it.
And without the younger crowd breaking into the PBA, you will no longer create interest.
Because people are sick of seeing the same people.
Now, granted, those people will still win, I'm sure.
Simo, Belmo, EJ, those guys are fantastic.
Sure.
But everybody likes to see a guy like Michael Skasia make it when he gets in there.
Heck yeah.
You know, people will watch it.
Kid Crank's lane, man.
I know.
Everybody's going to be like, listen, tell Nick he can sub for him tonight.
He's got to stop.
I just think it's a little bit of a broken system.
So I think the patterns, whatever the patterns are the patterns, but the U.S.
Open, the format, I think we might talk about this every year, but it just seems as if
You know, there's no it's all you know, we talk about inclusion in today's society.
I think the PPA is not up to the standards.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They need they need to get more bowlers in and the US Open needs to be open.
I mean, it is what it is.
I mean, flip the Masters around then.
Whatever.
I don't give a crap what they do.
Make one of them one of the other.
Also, I just... I know people will argue with me.
Well, it is open.
You just have to pull the PTQ.
It's not open.
That's not how that works.
The Masters is open.
Right.
Everybody can just be in.
Your green is green and you get in there.
I think for the US Open, you should just be able to sign up, honestly.
Right on the internet.
Just sign up and you're...
i think you should have to qualify to make the main or to make the event look but you shouldn't it shouldn't just be wide open because then you it should be regional qualifiers to get in everybody had a chance because it's way too easy to get into a huge tournament one of the biggest in the world well the masters is easy you can sign up for the masters and you're in yeah the us open i qualified you have to qualify all right so one last thing
We're going to talk a little bit about shop talk here.
We've got some shop talk.
Tech talk.
I just don't know.
I don't know about this.
I'm a little bit bothered.
I'm a little bit hot and bothered right now.
Well, let's get you unbothered because Tom Scambalone wants to talk about.
Tom Scambalone.
where did he go florida he went to north carolina north carolina okay i'm pretty sure in north carolina he's in north carolina virginia i believe it's north carolina saw him a few weeks ago uh he's throwing some motive stuff i believe i remember correctly if i remember that could explain if he is throwing more he didn't tell me what ball it was that could explain maybe why it's a little rollier than he was hoping anyway so let's talk drilling we did talk about this in the past quite a long time ago um
I believe we called it the power of the N or something like that.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Because of dual angle layouts, they make the N on the ball.
So we can talk about dual angle.
We can talk about buffer system.
But basically talking about, yeah, it's a different way of measuring to get the same exact result.
And we talked about different layouts and stuff in particular Tom wanted something to be angular and It sounded like it didn't really work out even though his numbers were very close to what I just drilled on the exotic gem which were like 75 by 35 His were maybe 70 by 30 or whatever and then I think he said four or four and a half inch pin or something like that but anyway
what can he do if he's... If I remember, he's maybe a little lower rev rate.
I haven't seen him bowl in a while.
Long, long time.
He said he's going to make a trip up and get schooled.
Welcome.
But that's what I did mention to him when he was talking to me about it.
He's like, I tried this angle.
It's not working out.
I said, well, it completely matters how you throw it, too.
Like, what is your tilt?
What is your rev rate?
I mean, to be honest with you, Ka, if he's using the same layout as you... It was similar, but yeah.
If he's using a similar layout, if Tom's just a little bit weaker on the rev rate...
you know, or ball speed, he's not going to create as much, um, down the motion just because the ball's going to naturally, right.
It's just going to be a little earlier anyways, because of that.
So, um, you're probably going to have to, you're either going to have to use a longer drill angle.
I don't know the surface of the lanes or what they're using.
So,
If it's a little more rolly, if you're still using Motive, from what we understand, Motive is a little bit more of a tamer cover stock from what we've learned from our friends on the tour and other people we talk to and kind of what we see.
Motive seems to be a little tamer.
The Storm and the Brunswick stuff with the new cover on HK22 are a little more responsive.
um to to the friction they're a little cleaner and a little bit more angular um it also depends on what type of ball you're using too if you're using a big like jackal flash or if you're using like a exotic gem or virtual energy blackout um yeah the vivo um those will be pretty good for you but if you get balls that are gonna respond pretty quick and you're using something like that um it might it might just pick up the lane too early with the ball speed and rev rate um
But typically, for an angular layout, you're going to want to have your drill angle.
We talk about ratios, too, in here.
We started to talk a little bit more about those.
Typically, your drill angle will be 2, and your VAL angle, or pin buffer, will be a 1.
That gives you a little bit more length.
And the lower the 1, obviously the 2, so like 50...
would be the drill angle, we would have a 25 VAL.
That'll keep it two to one.
Typically, we find those be a little more angular.
Typically, the closer you get to the one to one, the more matched those two angles are, the smoother they roll.
Also, the other thing, too, is
With a four and a half inch pin, you might see a little bit more forward roll just because of where the pin placement is.
If you're looking for a little bit more side roll, to be honest with you, you probably could use something with a longer drill angle, shorter pin to PAP, because that'll make it kind of be a little bit more instable, a little bit more side roll if it's asymmetrical.
Yeah.
If it's asymmetrical, that's important to remember.
And then you can kind of use that same drill angle or the same VAL angle.
So drill angle could increase.
Pin to PAP could shorten, and then the VAL angle could stay roughly what it is now, and that could also help create a little more side roll angularity there.
I didn't ask him what ball he had, but he did say it was 74-30.
74?
70.
70.
By 4.
70 by 4?
Yes, 4 inches.
Well, 4 changes from 4.5.
Yeah, I know.
That's why I was giving you the updated information.
I mean, that's pretty good then.
That's not bad at all.
I just wonder if the ball was the right choice.
I didn't ask him what kind of ball it was, so maybe it was a really strong ball that was slow rolling.
If it's sanded, Tom, you're probably going to want to go to the shiny cover socks, the pearl cover socks.
Even the hybrids are okay, too.
As long as they come polished, stay closer to those polished ones.
It also depends on the intermediate differential, too, because once you have too high of an intermediate differential, which is on your bowling ball specs, it is the third number.
If it gets too high, the ball will try to have...
too small of a hook zone, which means it'll use its energy much faster.
And it will get up and go more forward down lane.
Typically, longer pins can help that too.
But you've got a long drill angle in there.
So retaining energy and going forward, unless you use a super low VAL.
There's a lot of things you could do there.
But if you come up, we can take a look at it.
Next trip to Albany.
He's up every once in a while.
I did see him a few weeks ago.
Really?
Yeah, he was here, I think, around Thanksgiving time.
He stopped in.
I haven't seen Tommy in a long, long time.
Yeah, so I think he has been using Motive.
We talked about it for a little bit.
I think I might have gave him a layup to try.
Hopefully, that wasn't it.
Hopefully that was from the pro shop guy down there.
I mean, the layout's not bad.
I just think that, you know, it depends on the ball, too.
We got to see what kind of ball it is to really.
He made it sound like that it was a layout that he just uses.
It's like his benchmark.
Right.
So and then he said that he thought it was that the lower drill angle and like he got a little confused about which is lengthier and which is rollier.
Yeah, for me, I actually use 50 by 25 for my angular quick response layouts.
Seems lower than I would have expected.
Yeah, 50 by 25.
75 overall angle is... It's very strong, but you have to remember that I'm also looking at... Wow, they are excited.
Yeah, they are yelling.
It is Christmas time.
So the extra money, take it home and buy your wife a stocking gift.
The new...
Wow.
Okay.
It's getting crazy out there.
It's Christmas time.
They got the free drink flowing.
That is right.
It's free drink night.
The Violent Collision and the Brutal Collision, the two that I use for that, they are great balls.
And those are the ones that I put on those ones.
My Symmetricals are 5x30.
That's kind of just my base layout because they're a little smoother.
But I'm also looking at the ball mechanics too.
I'm not sure what he has.
I mean, I'm sure it could be great.
I just don't know.
So we can't really tweak or say, hey, maybe that would have been better next time.
Yeah, but that's kind of we say it is a good layout.
It's 70 by 4 by 30 is excellent.
So maybe it might just been the ball mechanics.
Could be.
Did I answer the question?
Okay, Kyle.
I think it was exactly right.
We just wanted to give a heads up to people that lower drill angle ball roll sooner.
Yeah, 20, anywhere closer to 20.
20 is the lowest you can go.
Closer to 20, it'll roll closer to your toes.
Anything up to 90, 90 is as far as you can go.
55 is the middle of the lane.
So anything past 55 is probably a little further down lane.
And then when you get to the back angle, the lower the angle, the other thing I will say is the quicker it responds to friction, also the less energy it will retain.
The faster it's going to want to use it all.
So that's another reason why sometimes it can get a little forward, especially with a 30 degree VAL.
Right.
Because 4 and 30 are pretty low.
So they're kind of...
they're not contradicting each other.
They're there.
The ball is trying to be super explosive and side roll, but the ball wants to rev up and go right off the friction.
So it could kind of burn itself out depending on the ball too.
So I use, what is mine?
50 by four and three quarters by 25.
That gets the ball to retain a little bit more and it doesn't want to go sideways.
So it does kind of give me a nicer shape.
Usually when I use lower VALs back angles,
The last angle, we use a higher pin distance.
That's what we've been doing here lately.
Things have changed a while, but we have been using them on quite a lot of bowling balls.
Stephanie, my sister, got one.
I think she was like 50 by 20.
Wow.
Yeah, 50 by 4.5 by 20, I think it was.
She shot 730 with it.
Yeah.
Boom.
But her rev rate's a little lower.
She likes to play with the friction.
We drilled her a theorem.
And that ball really skids down the lane naturally.
So ball mechanics, we got to kind of get that ball to rev.
And because she's a little more speed dominant, like 50 is okay for her because she's not going to burn the ball out.
You know what I mean?
So we also look at the player in that sense too.
We actually do quite a bit of learning in here.
We've had a few guys trying to learn that drill.
Yeah.
And we're able to talk back and forth.
And then layouts and whatever.
Yeah.
Behind you is where Austin's camera is.
You can see what we've been talking about.
Awesome.
Look, right behind you is what me and Kyle were working on yesterday.
That is the learning board.
It's easier sometimes to write them down over there and just chat about it, especially for guys who are looking for specific layouts.
So Kyle's pap is five and eighth over by half up.
His tilt is 19 degrees and his ball speed and rev rate percentage is matched.
So, we drove them a GB4.
Those are the numbers of the GB4, and the EG is the exotic gem.
And we were able to write them out a little bit, draw some pictures of the hook zones, and then on the right, where Austin's face is cutting half of it off, that's kind of how I look at the layout system.
Anything from 30 under is more of an angular or a quicker response.
Yep, 31 to 45 is going to be a little smoother.
And then the 46 plus is going to be drop that pin into the ring finger or the fingers in general or below it.
That's going to give you more of that really smooth retaining energy, not going to go sideways off it.
So that's kind of what we look at here.
Did I give too much information?
No, it's perfect.
Perfect.
But that's what we've been doing here.
So if you have any questions, you can always reach out to the podcast.
Dunleapod at gmail.com.
Send us a video and we can always recommend something.
You're getting fancy now, huh?
If we need to do that.
Well, I mean, if we've got it, we might as well.
If we have some guys who maybe want just to chat or to maybe engage and we can bring it up in the show the next time as we talk, we get a video from them.
We can kind of talk about what they want in the next show.
Kind of give them like a little personal spotlight.
Yeah.
Is that a little too much for us?
I love it.
Oh, I love it.
You've got to actually do some work then if they send in these videos.
If they send in videos, we'll get it done.
We.
We, he says.
Austin and Kyle will get it done.
All right, before we go.
Ten minutes before the show.
Hey, what do you recommend for this guy?
Quick.
Before we go, Mikey, what do you got coming up this week bowling-wise?
Nothing.
I don't pull my junior leagues.
It's Christmas, man.
You don't have junior leagues on Saturday?
It's Christmas.
Christmas is Monday, dude.
It's Christmas Eve Eve.
It's Christmas Eve Eve.
Right now, it's Christmas Eve Eve Eve Eve.
It's Christmas Eve Eve on Saturday.
No bowling this weekend.
What about next weekend?
That's New Year's Eve.
Yeah.
Eve.
I don't bowl.
I don't bowl for two weeks.
Wow.
New Year's Eve Eve.
Speaking of New Year's, did you guys sign up?
Oh, New Year's Day?
Oh, I owe Kyle so much money right now for sign-ups.
It's ridiculous.
I shouldn't even have paid for my balls last night.
No, you shouldn't have.
I didn't even think about that.
But no, but that's pro show.
I like to keep it separate, Kyle.
Don't worry.
Stephanie has a running tab for me.
Nice.
So when it gets to close to three grand, I'll pay it.
Oh, wow.
Wow.
We're almost there.
That's a high deadline.
Yeah, I didn't know I was a creditor.
What percentage are you taking a month?
Oh, good thought.
Good thought.
I'll take your children babysitting day.
No.
No.
I want the cash.
I want the cashola.
I gave it out there.
What are your interest rates right now?
17.5?
Yeah, there's a difference between the government interest rates and a loan shark interest rate.
Loan sharks are 20-30.
I think we stay on the Boeing part.
Let's not go to finances.
All right.
Well, guys, thank you so much for joining the show tonight.
Mikey, thanks for coming in.
Boom.
We got to go bowling.
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I don't know.
Why not?
Send them in.
Bring it.
We got nothing else to do.
Don't throw weed in the back.
Dude, Kyle's freaking busy season ending.
Listen, Austin has serious tonight we bowl episodes to edit every week.
I got my videographer tonight.
Which, by the way, last week was an awesome episode.
We got the dual angle cameras going on.
So you get to see behind the scenes as well as bowling, which I think adds a huge element to the show.
So we got a lot of recording to do tonight.
I tried to edit just a tad more last week.
Well, we're one through six tonight.
I'm on one and two.
Austin's on three and four, and you're on five and six.
It's a position round, baby.
Christmas miracle.
Thank you to Jack Skate, your proprietor of Town & Country Lanes.
Thanks, Mikey, for coming in.
Awesome.
Good shot show.
What?
Good show.
Anthony.
Are we playing each other?
No, we're on three separate pairs.
Well, I hope you guys have a great evening.
Ladies and gentlemen, have a Merry Christmas.
Happy New Year.
And Kwanzaa.
Thank you to my family, Stephanie, Zach, and Ethan.
Jam bread.
Winnie the pig.
Merry Christmas.
We will see you guys next week.
This is Downlane Podcast.
Thank you.