Does the USBC Even Care? - Season 4 Episode 11 - Down Lane Podcast

With the latest news coming from the USBC about string pinsetters, the guys are back in the Pro Shop to discuss their opinions on the matter.  They also talk about Anthony's experience at the PBA East Regional, and they take a follower's question!
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Active Aggression

Transcript

It kind of helped him advance.
I mean, do you think this was a conspiracy?
Gotta go with Jacob Butter.
Gotta go lefty.
We're talking about the players.
That's tournament champion.
There he is right there.
Oh, he doesn't even know how to watch.
Go to YouTube.com and search Downlane Podcast.
what is up ladies and gentlemen welcome to downland podcast we are streaming live from the lab at town and country lanes i'm your host kyle haynes and with me is the assistant to the host anthony skacia oh not on your life you are aggressive right out of the gate
And I like it.
I like the aggressiveness.
Welcome, everybody.
Welcome, Andrew.
Welcome, Michael Polky.
Not in your life.
Welcome to the show.
Chloe, welcome.
And the producer.
What's up tonight?
How's it going?
Oh, another wonderful day.
We got a lot to get to tonight.
The hot topic of the week.
There's a hot topic?
Absolutely, which is the USBC's big announcement about the string pin setters.
So we're going to talk about that tonight.
We are also going to be getting to Anthony's trip to East Providence, Rhode Island.
You want to talk about that?
Listen, we got to talk about successes.
We got to talk about maybe, I don't want to call it a failure.
I don't think it was a failure.
Learning experiences.
Learning experiences, we'll call it.
I don't believe it's a failure.
That's what I just said.
I said it's a learning experience.
Touchdown, Jesus, Kyle.
And then we've got a listener slash viewer question to get to.
I can't wait.
I read it today and I can't read that well, but I read it.
Am I too close to the mic?
In between making the bench seats today.
That's right.
Oh, yeah.
I had a chance to check the email.
Is this too close, Austin, or do I sound great?
No, you're good.
Such a jerk.
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Yeah.
Download.
Listen, give us a five-star review.
Yeah.
All that good stuff.
Oh, and the Etsy shop.
Oh, there's no shirts coming in.
I need to get to those.
I was thinking about a few designs, actually.
I got a few cool ideas.
But, you know, it's got to be the problem with with me is that, you know, we have jokes.
as like a unit and i have a great idea and i worked on it i kid you not i worked on it like three four five seven months ago and uh i just couldn't get it right but i just don't know if people like do people call grabbing the ball the claw like
Did they say I clawed?
I don't think so.
Yeah, I think that's an inside joke.
I'm sure some people refer to it that way.
It's not an inside joke, but it's like our lingo is different than some other people.
So creating a shirt for the masses where thousands of people are going to order these.
Well, we've got to be honest, though.
Look at Shimwrecker.
Who says Shimwrecker?
Are you serious right now?
I don't say Shim, do I?
No, but Shim came out of nowhere.
We could become the claw people.
Who says shim?
Everyone used to say shim.
It was a trend for a year and a half, two years.
Yeah.
Come on.
Don't act like you don't know.
No, I've heard people say shim, but like
Wow, my mouth looks really weird on that.
All right, stop looking at the screen.
People are listening.
I'm just saying.
I don't know.
It's just I don't say shim.
I don't know.
Shim to me doesn't make any sense.
I agree.
It's what I would call.
Yeah, I'm down.
That's what I would call.
I'm with you.
I 100% agree.
Bless you.
the other thing Kyle let everyone know that we are now a vlog channel as well yes Austin had a big week this week big announcement big announcement epiphany of the week no Austin had his big project come out this week which really just had an idea to vlog our Thursday night league it came out really good
i will say i like the title you chose we i will say i like the title you chose we i will say i like the title you chose we did not collaborate no we did not did not collaborate no we did not did not collaborate no we did not i just i kind of just it was it was i just i kind of just it was it was i just i kind of just it was it was like four o'clock in the morning and i like four o'clock in the morning and i like four o'clock in the morning and i just sent everything over to you in just sent everything over to you in just sent everything over to you in the drive the drive the drive and i was impressed with the title it's and i was impressed with the title it's and i was impressed with the title it's very good title very good title very good title did you know anthony didn't watch the did you know anthony didn't watch the did you know anthony didn't watch the video no i watched the video i didn't video no i watched the video i didn't video no i watched the
Oh, that's right.
I was going to message you guys.
Deviate.
Hello?
I don't get it.
Deviate's logo is Tonight We Bolt.
Oh, it is?
Yeah.
Forget them.
Oh, yeah.
I think I saw that before.
I don't know.
There it is.
See?
Tonight We Bolt.
Oh, yeah.
Sure.
Anyway.
Thanks for the encouraging word.
It took me a ton of time to get that done, brother.
Yes.
Thank Michael.
Thank you to Austin.
Austin did a great job.
But yeah, so we're going to continue that every week throughout the season.
So sorry to Austin for having to go through the editing process, which I'm very familiar with.
It was your idea.
I will say I'm slacking on all things.
Extracurricular download podcast.
saying this for the seventh week in a row yeah um but yeah editing is a lot of work so uh but it comes out very good um so give us your ideas about um you know like austin said in the video give us your ideas about what to improve on or what to do differently or how to add i should say to the the vlog every week what you guys might want to see maybe we could do a competition in one video between us even though we're already bowling in our league maybe i don't know
throw something into the to the vlog each week so we'll try to do that but it came out really good i was very impressed very uh proud of austin proud of you austin now if only i could do something for this channel yeah you know other than provide this whatever this is i am you're the knowledge i am the colored commentator
i'm not gonna expand on that um you know what it is color commentating yep yep anyway so uh how are you guys week this week oh i actually i'm doing good really yeah go on shot 9 12 it's a lot for me on uh monday yep tuesday i have no idea
I think I shot like 660.
Yeah, I heard you got smoked on Tuesday.
I get smoked every Tuesday.
It doesn't matter.
We shot 509 and lost.
Wow.
For doubles, just so everybody's reference.
So it's just not our half.
We're going to be a second half team like I am on Monday nights.
I'm in last place on Mondays, last place on Tuesdays.
Wow.
Yeah, it's pretty rough.
Struggle, bus.
It's okay.
I'm throwing it good.
I was throwing it.
I'm like, man, I'm throwing it so good right now.
I wish there was a regional.
I mean, it can't be as bad as my Monday night.
What did you do Monday?
Oh, you know, just watch everyone around you throw 250s without a problem and throw a nice 140 in there on a house shot.
That's all right.
I didn't shoot over 175 a few weeks ago.
Well, I followed it with a 160.
improvement 20 pens is 20 to 40 the last game figure it out i feel like i'm the only guy in here that feels like his game's coming around again no my game's fine i'm sort of great i just both like you do like i'm throwing it freaking sick like if you take sick and put it backwards that's exactly what it is it'd be like kiss boom okay sis
So, yeah, we practiced last night.
Well, you didn't, and you didn't.
I did.
I was getting ready for new furniture.
I was drilling balls, plugging balls.
I also took out tables because we got new furniture in the center today.
It's not all finished yet, but it looks good.
It does look really good.
Hey, where are the tables?
Forgive me if he keeps asking me.
Where are the tables?
It would be nice if there were some tables to put my drinks on.
well it's okay i didn't we didn't finish them all we did them for like five six hours i think we started well um they might start a little bit before me but yeah so it looks good um i did a bunch i wasn't able to practice i haven't even brought my blue hammer my purple hammer my purple reactive and to do that review because i had the tripod and i just i didn't get a chance because kyle and austin have seen it i'm plugging so many bone balls for people right now i have sold a boatload i've
What do these sound like to you, Austin?
Just a busy guy.
What do these sound like to you, these words?
Sound like my dad?
Excuses.
No, I'm just busy.
It's just busy, you know what I mean?
And it's tough because I want to bowl.
I've been here all day.
I got some other stuff I got to do.
So it's like, do I bowl?
Because then I'm not going to do my work.
Work is secondary.
Podcast is number one.
Okay.
Thanks, Dad.
We'll quote that one, Dad.
So, yeah, we practiced last night.
We bowled on last year's doubles and singles pattern.
You practiced last night?
Right.
A few of us, other than the people in this room, me and Nick and… Mark Patel.
Yeah.
Nick Harris.
That is… So, the lane surface here is like… We've said this a million times on this show.
The lane surface here is a lot different than Reno.
Very similar.
Not the same surface, but at least plays similar to, like, let's say, South Point.
different surfaces, but they play similar.
We do play similar to South Point.
I would agree.
But last year was Reno.
So played very different.
I could actually play the pattern.
Actually, what I'll say is
When we bowled in the Bowler's Journal, I could actually score in that tournament.
They look closer to Bowler's Journal.
Right.
Whereas when we bowled in doubles and singles at the OCs on this pattern last year, holy crap, it was one of the hardest things I've ever bowled on in my life.
It was incredibly difficult.
I actually enjoyed the pattern.
Everybody said your thing was out of play.
I whacked him for 620.
But I actually bowled really good.
And then the second shift.
On the left side.
Yeah, then I bowled really good the second shift and shot like 645 or something like that.
And I was plus like 60 going the last game and said, all right, good out 200.
170.
Yeah.
But I was still plus.
I mean, made a decent amount of cash.
It was so hard.
But it was nice to see that the pattern was definitely more playable on a fresher lane service.
How were you throwing it?
Way better.
Yes, the grip change is much better now.
But when I was bowling out there last year, or this year, but six months ago, past past bowling season, I felt much more comfortable like I was not throwing it great because I was I watched the video last of us bowling.
And I still was having, you know, grab one, miss one right, throw a good one.
Grab one, miss one right, grab one, miss one right, throw a good one.
Like, I could watch it happen.
Whereas now, it's not like that.
It's way cleaner, way more often.
And very few grabs that are really grabby.
Well, yeah, you're forwarding your thumb now.
So you were throwing pretty good outside.
Yeah.
So it's way better, way cleaner now.
So, and my role I think is a lot different than it was, or at least I shouldn't say a lot different, but.
We remeasured your tilts back to zero.
Yeah, I don't remember what it was.
It was lower, but you're back to zero.
And your axis point, I think, has moved in a little bit.
Andrew K., no, the epiphanies are over because I made him go back to a straight up and down grip.
So there's no more of him trying to figure things out.
It should be pretty okay.
We'll see.
Well, there's still time.
There's still time.
There's still time.
There's still time.
I don't know if you saw Kyle's golf swing.
He's got some practicing to do.
You're going to be practicing golf now?
Yeah.
It's a vlog, Joe.
Yeah, he didn't actually watch the vlog, you know?
I did watch the vlog.
I watched his bowling.
Yeah.
I didn't watch the end part.
Anyway, so tell us how the regional went.
Terrible.
What happened?
Tell us about what happened.
What were you bowling on?
Where were you?
First off, we were at East Providence Lanes.
East Providence, Rhode Island.
Brunswick Pro Lane, 22-year-old surface.
For me, the lanes don't really break down in the front there for me.
Typically, my ball skid's pretty good.
All I heard the righties complain about was the front's hooking.
Sounds like you were in Reno.
Yeah.
It wasn't hooking really for us in the front, so...
Reno, I did have a lot of early hook.
But anyways, we bowled an early Anthony, 43 feet, 31 mils, tournament club pattern from a few weeks ago.
Ended up playing pretty straight up here.
Went out there.
My ball went in the gutter a lot in practice because I was trying to play outside, just trying to see if there was anything there.
Didn't happen, so I jumped in.
I was able to wear in a spot on the lane by myself because I don't move lanes typically if I've been to a center because I kind of know the breakdown, like the low end for me hooks more down there.
The high end tightens up a lot.
I usually bolt better on the high end because I like when my ball gets down the lane a little bit better.
So got to start on the high end, was kind of excited.
So the out of bounds was like 10 out for me.
I couldn't get back.
It was like a washout.
And if I got it too much in, if it wasn't perfect, it was through the face.
So it prompted me to move to the right.
And yeah, I mean, it was an inside shot there this year.
I was the third high lefty this year.
I was probably the third high lefty again this year, but out of five lefties.
There was literally like five or six of us.
Well, it was a low entry squad.
It was 60 people, but you would assume more lefties would be there.
I know I didn't come in last for the lefties, but I was not high up.
No lefty went plus.
So while I was bowling, I started off like 170 every game.
I think I had 160 in there somewhere.
The first three games or four games, I shot like 170, 170, 160, 180, something like that.
Then I think I moved in.
You got three games to go.
And I moved into, like, I don't know.
My leg was against the ball return on the left lane.
Yep.
So I ended up playing sixth arrow.
I seriously hope it's not on the right lane because that would be wild.
Yeah.
Yeah, it would be.
So I was on the left lane up against the ball return playing the sixth arrow.
It's really weird to aim on the right side of the lane and have it go to the left.
My brain just didn't comprehend it.
net i don't know how i did it but i ended up shooting like 180 192 oh the last three games um game seven b or game six being two opens in the ninth and tenth for like 187 so that's an easy 210 game
with two spares there, right?
And then the ninth, or the next game after that, the seventh game, whatever it is, it was the sixth, the seventh, I shot 198 or 99 with an open in the 10th.
And the last game I shot 210 with a open in the 10th, maybe.
something like that so i probably could have won about plus 30 the last three uh and that if i could have kept that pace up all day i actually would have had a decent chance unfortunately i started off kind of low uh minus 90 after three i ended up 130 under so i kind of stopped the bleeding yeah but it just was i wasn't going plus what was the what was the overall cut i think it was 50.
which is pretty low.
Yeah, it was like 208 or 205 or something like that.
So honestly, I would have had a chance if I bumped in more right early.
I knew it was an inside pattern when I bowled the day before.
I knew I was going to have to go right, but I ended up
didn't think so fast well it wasn't even well yeah honestly i could have probably just played six there all day because there was no breakdown like i just went from pair to pair and i didn't have to move it was just all topography there was no burn in the front there was no carry down the back there really wasn't any transition so that's no excuse um so while i was out there i kind of learned how to play the middle lane actually pretty well and i've been using some of those tips and tricks that i learned out there in my 300 practice session two bowl better here um
So I did at least learn something about it.
Correction.
Like $500 practice session.
$500 practice.
Hotel room.
Fuel.
You're correct.
But it was also supposed to be the week I got my pig.
Yeah.
So it was supposed to double, like be a double that weekend.
Yeah, double trip.
And it just didn't happen because we had a big week before.
So I was by myself.
I had a great dinner.
I actually, you text me how do you feel?
I said, I actually feel pretty good because I ended up going from, I have 15 balls that are in my tournament arsenal.
I think we've chatted about.
So I went through my 10 pin toolkit, made a bag of stuff I was going to bring.
And then what I did was I eliminated it out of the bag.
So I made my own separate bag, early Anthony bag.
And I was able to kind of go through that.
Not like it really made it.
That was like, oh, I didn't know what I was going to bring, but I could just kind of put them in there.
That way I can keep track from now on until that goes away.
I don't know if there's unlimited bags you can make, but you can literally make an event bag.
And so I was able to make an event bag, the nine balls I used.
And I actually had a pretty good progression.
I think I told you that was probably the first time that I had a really good progression on the lane in terms of ball reaction.
And I said, ball reaction won't be a problem because I have hook.
And so everyone would say, well, Anthony, you didn't have hook.
You bowled bad.
Yeah, no, I had hook, but it was just playing the sixth arrow, moving to super far right, the outside being out of play.
It's going to be a typical lefty thing.
I just got to be better at moving right, and I think I learned a little bit on how to be a little better.
We'll see what happens next time I get into that type of a situation.
Balls that I were using that worked pretty well were my speed was okay.
It wasn't great.
I give my Kinetic Cobalt probably like a B+.
That ball was really good from the inner part of the lane at 2,000.
And then I give like a Troublemaker...
trouble maker was pretty good along with the ethos and gb4 hybrid those are kind of the the kinetic the gb4 and the ethos were kind of the balls and the trouble maker are the four balls that kind of stuck around all day um out of the nine that i had chosen uh there's something equipment wise that
You wish you would have had or could have had differently that would have played better that deep in the middle of the lane?
No.
You had everything you think you would have needed.
The only thing that I would have done is, like, ball-wise, like, I had the ball.
I just think I possibly could have used a little bit more surface.
Because what happened was the ball... To get the ball into the roll.
Yeah, so, like...
they were just a little too clean sometimes.
And then the kinetic at 2000 was actually, it was a little, it picked up, it read the million.
So I could try to throw it left and the ball would rev up and not go as far left with the shiny balls.
They, they were a little, they were a little more responsive to missing.
Right.
And when I missed left, they responded too late.
Right.
So I didn't have that blend to where it kind of slowed down a little bit to have that window to strike a little bit more.
Um, and I knew my ball reaction, I had ball reaction, but,
ball reaction i needed i don't know if the if i could have hit it might not have made a difference i mean that was that is not anything that i typically do so it is what it is what are you gonna do uh you just move on some days are yours and some days are theirs yeah i mean if there's only one other thing yes that i could have done different i did have my new blue hammer with me i had it at 360. i don't know if it would have hooked
Um, I'm, I'm going to say that cause my speed was at a thousand and that's a super tall pin.
That ball rolls good.
Typically when there's a ton of volume, that one didn't even like think about it.
So I think that would have rolled way too early to be able to roll over the blue would have, I don't know that that would have flipped.
You know what I mean?
If you playing that far in.
What, the Blue Hammer?
Yeah.
No, I would have played left.
I would have tried to play where... That's where all the lefties played, except for me.
And then there was another guy, Dennis Bissonette, also pulled next to me.
He started off plus 30.
I went to the low end.
He stayed in the high end.
I saw him the next game.
He was minus 30.
I was like, dude, you got to go like 15, right?
He's like, you really think so?
I'm like, we don't have ball reaction and lane darker breakdown.
We don't have a look.
You've got to find one.
I said, you're close.
I'm minus.
At that point, I was minus like 110.
Yeah.
I was like, I'm in game four.
I need to shoot like 250 here to even have a whiff of thinking.
Right.
You know, like I didn't think I was out because I thought I could catch a big game, but it just didn't happen.
So he actually moved right, came over, gave me a high five and said, thank you.
He shot 230 that game.
But after that, he just didn't have a good look either.
We were kind of, I don't want to say trapped, but it kind of felt as if it was a very hard pattern for us to do the right, get the ball to do the right thing on.
It's long patterns tend to be tough for lefties because you don't have that
friction bounce to the left.
Or breakdown.
Right.
There's no breakdown.
I don't mind them being tight because I particularly like them tight with my ball rolling the way I throw it.
Like I said, ball reaction's not an issue.
But if I had some lefty breakdown and we played more to the left...
and there was more lefties, there might have been a possibility I could have played a little straighter.
In this case, there wasn't as many lefties, and I just had to play the shot a little differently than I anticipated.
But going into practice, there was no surprise.
I just thought they were hooking a boatload in the middle.
A boatload.
Yeah.
So that was just that.
All right.
We'll see.
Next one is in March at Binghamton.
That far away?
Yeah.
I don't know.
That's a good time frame, though.
Good time frame.
It's going to be the 22nd, 23rd, I believe they said.
Are we able to go or do we have something going on?
We have the trio tournament possibly, the Albany trios, but I can miss a week of that.
It's okay.
And then the Masters will be the week after for the Albany Masters that we're going to be doing, we're hosting.
Oh, nice.
And then so it will be able to kind of get it'll be a good time for us.
Tournament club will be ending around that time.
So we got to see where we're going to have the last.
Well, we currently have it on St.
Patrick's Day, so we got to fix that up.
Yeah.
All right.
So let us move on.
I got a session last weekend.
Thank you.
I do have a video of it.
Me lofting the right gutter.
That's right.
You want it, Austin?
Yeah, send it over to Austin.
What do I send it to?
Austin's phone.
The phone will be fine?
Well, he can figure it out.
He's the producer.
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Is it cold in here?
No, you're just, as I told my dad, you're imbalanced.
He asked why you were bowling.
He watched the vlog.
I did see he asked why I was in a sweatshirt.
You were bowling in a hoodie.
No, he didn't.
But you're always, like, rolled up and whatever.
Yeah, I always wear this.
All right, so let's get right into it here.
I'm going to bowl a winter hat tonight, actually, Bobby.
The title of the episode this week, does the USBC even care?
And, of course, what am I even referring to, which I'm sure most people even already know, is that the USBC decided that they are raiding...
The average is the same between string pins that are certified.
Let me make sure that that is abundantly clear.
The string pins that are certified, uh, the same as free fall pins.
So if you are bowling on certified string pins, uh, your, and you are, uh, sanctioned through the USBC, um,
then your average will be acceptable in tournaments or leagues, et cetera, on free fall pins.
Thoughts?
Makes sense.
Makes sense, Anthony says.
Yes.
Go on.
Well, first off...
Are there any rules in bowling that the USPC actually makes us follow?
That's a great question.
So instead of making this like the, well, you got to re-rate Jimmy because he's, all right.
There's no need for that.
Well, what's two pins?
At this point, there's no lane.
There's no lane dressing requirements.
Battle lights are optional at this point.
You know, there's really, I mean, bowling balls have a restriction, sort of, kind of.
I don't know.
I mean, at this point, I don't know.
So, does it really matter?
Two pins?
I'm just saying.
Just saying.
I guess for me.
No wave holes allowed.
Yeah, they enforce that.
Have you seen the USBC discussion forum where people still don't have wave holes and say they're going to quit if they have to plug them?
So, no, they don't enforce that either.
That is a crop of crap.
I think he's talking about nationals.
Oh, nationals?
Sure, sure, sure.
So that's for those that are listening.
That's Mark Taylor talking on the YouTubes or Facebooks.
So for me, it isn't about the two pins or allowing a person from string pins over to free fall.
It's more about even allowing it at all as a USBC sanctioned sport.
Yeah, but you didn't ask that question to me.
I know I said thoughts.
Yeah.
Thoughts.
Right.
So like, I'm giving my opinion.
All right.
So settle down.
So you're going to back in your chair.
I have not moved.
I have not moving.
So moving.
My, my point is like, why are we even, it shouldn't even be a discussion because bowling should be free fall pins, period.
Full stop.
As a, as the young and say, the freak is that me?
Am I missing something?
What the heck does full stop?
You never heard full stop before?
No, it's, it's,
what the kids say these days who your kids they're five making words now but it just means like you know end of story okay all right okay period um so like meaning it shouldn't even be a discussion it should be done it shouldn't be allowed it should be over and there should be no tournaments sanctioned tournaments on there there should be no sanctioned leagues on string pins uh in fact
Even in the sanctioned string pin rules, they are allowing string trips or whatever you want to call it.
However, if a pin falls via the string.
Old people say full stop dial.
So they're allowing.
Settle down, Andrew.
They're allowing the strings to.
Trip the pins.
Yes.
And without resetting them.
Not On Your Life says, so six months ago, the USBC's own research on strings yielded 7% fewer pocket strikes and as much as 10 pin drop and average requiring separate certification.
Now those numbers aren't valid anymore, question mark.
So that was before the certified string pins came out with the correct lengths of strings.
so according to some people and i don't think we've seen any real numbers from usbc uh yeah with the re with the correct string lengths yeah i saw the free fall the free fall versus certified string length is much closer almost
However, there are long strings to trip pins, and if you have an off spot, this is not as big of a deal, but it still matters.
There's a maximum, I believe, too.
If you have an off spot, the pin gets put back on spot every time.
Yeah, I think that's kind of a messed up thing.
I agree with you there.
I can agree with you.
And listen, I mean, I'm intrigued by it.
I've seen some videos.
I've seen some stuff going on.
You know, I've taken into account the videos and how everybody says they're bad.
I just don't think that... I don't think that the videos are... What's that mean?
Videos aren't... They don't work.
Like, they're not legitimate because I don't know the string settings.
These people keep putting up videos.
I know Kyle's going to bash me here, but...
If you're in a fun center and they're older, I mean, how do you know what the string length is?
The string, you know, it could be too big, too short.
Like when you find unnatural pinfall, sure.
But is it sanctioned?
Like I watch Rash's thing and he's like, they don't belong in the sport.
Fine.
So be it.
I think we've talked about, we'll get into a little bit more about my thought process on it.
But for recreational centers and where you're not having giant tournaments that are withholding a ton of cash,
mean what's the big deal you're they're not they're not enforcing any other rule in the usbc so i don't understand why people think that the average change what the big deal is i mean do you want the lanes easier i mean does that help i mean that's just they can't be any easier than they are now uh i don't know it's just it's just a thought
um yeah and then so like uh mark taylor made a good point which uh we've talked about before about how the pins rotate in the machines you know you're not gonna get the same pin every time um not only that but in order for a pin to hang on the string you've got to take material out of the pin uh and and now you're hanging it on a string no no no no you have to
when they manufacture the pins to put the, you have to take material out of the pin to put the knot in or, or however they, however they tie the string into the pin.
Did they have a how it's made on this yet?
I don't, I don't know.
I haven't seen the video.
Um, but so that it's a different pin compared to free fall.
So, and that's in the, that the frequently asked question sheet too, um, that, um,
you know, it's, there, there is a certification for how that's done so that it's not drastically different.
Right.
So it is different, but not drastically different.
So it's going to be different.
Absolutely.
But it, it, it should be the same sport and it should be.
Well, it's not.
No, it is.
Because there shouldn't be.
It still goes down the lane at 60 feet.
But there shouldn't be variables that change how the pins fall.
Okay.
That take the actual.
So then you don't like regular bowling then because the lane changes, which changed the way the pins fall.
No, no, no.
I'm saying there shouldn't be a string that knocks the pin down for you.
Okay.
Right now.
But you're saying there's a variable.
The lanes are variable every night.
So what's the difference?
Well, I'm just saying.
Now you're talking about a variable.
But that's built in.
Okay.
So are the strings.
The strings should not be built in.
Listen, I'm just saying.
I'm not knocking it yet.
I've seen a few, like you said, I've seen a few videos out there.
I don't know how...
how legitimate they are.
I know I stumbled through my words last.
And Pizza Wings brings up a good point.
It's me and I'm sitting next to a homeless man.
What is the deal?
Thank you, Pizza Wings.
If it wasn't for my wife, I would be homeless.
No, your mom would still take you in.
I don't know about that anymore.
I might be at your house.
I've seen videos and like I said,
Please show me the evidence that they are the actual sanctioned string machines themselves.
You're saying the videos that are against them.
No, not against.
Not against.
That's fine.
That's fine.
I don't mind them being out there.
But please, you asked the USBC to be transparent.
Why don't they be transparent?
Why don't they go get the facts right and actually present them to the people that are going to watch before they just make some random assumption?
I'm just saying.
He whined about the purple hammers.
Now he's whining about string machines.
Get over it, dude.
All right.
Frickin go present the information if you're so high and mighty.
I just I don't know.
It is what it is.
But see what show me the facts.
All right.
Show me the facts.
The purples are illegal because there is too much contradictory information for you, Sean.
And show me about those those pins, those string machines.
I want to know what they are.
That's all.
And I'm not really mad.
I'm just saying.
Just saying.
They don't belong in the sport.
Sure, buddy.
You go be a mechanic.
Oh, wait.
You're not.
Tom Cruise over here.
Show me the facts.
Well, it's just honest.
It's honest.
You know?
It's just everybody wants to bash it.
Absolutely.
My brother Joe said it right.
There are no mechanics anymore.
You guys can whine and complain all about the pins didn't fall right.
Really?
I get complained about tapping pins now.
So if a string takes it out, that's one less guy I got to listen to.
So what the frig do I care?
Listen, these guys will still leave 10 pins all night long.
There's a string that is attached to it or not.
So they don't know about ball motion.
That's why they're leaving 10 pins.
There's nothing to do with free fall pins.
That's fine.
But let's get back on topic with the string pins.
Yeah.
All the videos, all the social media stuff.
Show me the facts before you say it doesn't have a place.
And not, not on your life.
I don't know this person's name.
says it perfectly it is not the proper physics of a pin of free fall pins they you want you can you can visibly see them fall they do not fall how free fall pins fall absolutely why would they and that is not well it's close enough enough it should be exact well how are you gonna do that i'm sure you can't i'm sure over time they'll get better
If you have something attached to a pin, it cannot be the same as something not attached to a pin.
I don't know.
Unless it's not attached.
That's debatable.
I'm at a loss for words right now.
Sure, it can have a string on it.
If the pin hits it and there's no tension on it, then what's the difference?
Because it still has something attached.
There's weight to it.
There's gravity pulling it down.
There's something attached to it.
Yeah, sure.
How is it holding it down, though?
There's a tension knob on it, too.
The tension has to also be correct.
Sorry, go ahead, Austin.
I think what a lot of people are worried about is to say, for example, I know...
no verification on whether it's a legal pin setter but or string pin setup but if you watch some of the videos out there the strings are taking out the 10 pin right it's not the or any pin for that amount so when the when the six pin is going around the 10 pin the string itself is actually what's knocking the 10 pin down not
And the rules are clearly stating that that is allowed.
Okay, that's fine.
Now, it doesn't seem like you have a problem with the falling pin.
You have a problem with the tripped pin.
I have a problem with both.
I have a problem with both.
Well, I mean... That's my only problem.
My only problem is the strings taking things out.
Like, I watched one video with the 2A10, and 0% should have made that scare.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the string came across and took the picture.
Fine.
So be it.
That's fine.
But is that machine legal?
We don't know.
We don't know.
So, like, sure.
I might hate string machines when they actually show me a legitimate video.
Show me a legitimate video.
I want to see it.
Prove that it's a certified machine.
We could potentially get verification of that.
We just need to find out what Bolognese is.
Okay.
Let's do it.
The last event they had was not the same.
They actually ran a PBA event on it.
The scoring pace was in two or three pins of what the free falls would be.
I don't know what the string length is on that, so that's not certified either.
I'm not giving that the okay.
I'm just saying it is what it is.
yeah no object is to not on your life says no object in the world that's tethered to a cable is free to move the end it's not it's not debatable it's attached to something yeah but if there's no tension on it then if it's just hanging there what's the big deal i don't get it well you create tension once the pins hit there's that and then i i don't i guess i don't i'm not smart enough yeah i'm trying to i'm trying to figure out how to explain it to you like
If you had a rope attached to your waist.
Sure.
And you ran.
Sure.
You would feel the rope pulling behind you.
I'd probably trip over it because I'm so fast.
Or if you ran and ran in a zigzag pattern like a pin would be going through the pin deck and hitting the wall and coming back or something like that.
You would feel...
the tension of the air pulling and the force of the air molecules pushing against the rope.
This seems far-fetched.
It's not far-fetched.
It's literally, there's air molecules.
Dude, if I have a string attached to it, it's not going to bother me until it goes to the end.
You're not following what I'm saying.
You're asking why it would matter.
There was a string attached to the pin.
and how it would influence that pin.
Well, when the pin is moving, there's a string attached to it, and when it moves, it's pulling that string with it, and it's going to cause force to pull that string tight, and then gravity and the molecules in the air.
I'm no scientist here.
I don't exactly know how they work, but I'd assume there is never an end of the rope.
No, there is.
It's like the minimum is 54 inches.
There is a maximum as well.
Yes, it can only go so far.
But what I'm saying is it's not about the tension like when it pulls tight.
It is also about having weight on that rope.
Just weight.
The weight of the rope itself.
How is there weight on the rope?
The rope has its own weight.
It is itself an object.
I think he's referring to after it's been hit.
Yes.
While the pin is in motion, not while it's stationary.
And the rope, this cable, has weight.
It's a thing.
I know, it might unplug.
um now now now my question to you is thanks andrew now my now my question is to you now all that i just don't know how to explain it but the the rope has weight mark will explain it for you because i know he's on this thing and he will probably he'll write somebody's got to explain it for me um now now my question is to you kyle is you had a problem with the pins being lighter because they need to take weight out
Or have a void in it too.
Now they need that weight from the string to make it legal.
I don't know.
I'm just saying, I mean, you know, now they need that extra weight in there to make it legal.
And that, that weight on the string makes it legal.
I'm not even talking about the weight inside the pin.
I'm saying the physical weight of it.
Me too.
And hanging off of the top of the pin.
Yeah, me too.
You can see how it causes the pin to move differently while they fall.
It is a completely different experience and you can visually see it.
Now, Mark Taylor wrote in there, Jeff Riggs posted a video of tournament final on certified machines.
Mass.
Thank you.
That is the word I am looking for.
It has mass.
I don't know who you are, not in your life, but you and I are on the same page.
We need to sit next to each other so Kyle can talk to me with sentences.
Cause I'm a homeless man.
I don't know.
And force.
That's the other word I was looking for.
Oh my God.
I just need to go back to science and.
The good thing is I've already established that I am not a smart person.
I am not a smart person.
If we were left on our own, this would be freaking terrible.
I'm just saying, Kyle.
I will give it the benefit of the doubt until I start to actually see it.
And Jeff has one posted.
I don't know how to see it.
I would like to see it.
Well, I read his article today.
It was posted either today or the day before.
And he actually took a couple of steps back and he said, well, they're not as bad as they were because they're fixing them now because the strings got shorter and he was totally against them.
And now he's coming around.
But, and I'm like, I just, for me, the pins are attached to something and that doesn't make it bowling.
I'm sorry.
Now, for the people complaining about the USB-C about this, listen, I'm going to throw a wrench in your monkey.
I know what that means.
Whatever it is, a monkey wrench at you.
Throw a wrench in things.
Boleros updates to their centers from what I comprehend.
When they update a center for all you listeners...
they're making all of them string machines.
So you can argue with the USBC all you want.
The USBC was strongholded into doing this with the new PBA League member, in my opinion, because they knew that the PBA is going to sanction them.
So they wanted to keep members instead of lose members.
So they made this decision before Bolero or whoever does it, I'm sure will do it at some point.
I totally get it.
So this was a move to be ahead of the curve.
My take on the whole thing is I couldn't care less that they want to try it out.
All I want is the transparency if they end up not being good for the sport that the USBC owns up to it and takes them out.
Yeah, Joe.
You tell them, Joe.
You tell them, Joe.
You tell them, Joe.
Kyle's already got an electric car.
He's buying one.
Yeah.
That's right.
Is driving an electric car not driving?
Because it's not gas.
It's not gas.
Things got to change, Kyle.
We got to revolutionize.
No.
It's not driving?
So are you one of those guys who's like, hey, automatic transmissions aren't driving.
I need to be manual, guys.
No, I understand what he's saying.
I love it, but let's go.
It is different.
Like, the pins are not falling how bowling pins should fall.
I don't understand how that's not clear.
Like, I understand, like, okay, I sound like a traditionalist, and admittedly, multiple times over,
I am a traditionalist.
I love things how they are.
That's why you still drive that GMC, baby.
Yeah, buddy.
But pins should fall on their own and not be influenced by strings.
Yeah, we'll see what happens, Kyle.
I don't know.
I don't know what to tell you anymore.
They should not be attached by strings.
I guess the only thing I could tell you to be common ground is everyone's going to be bowling on the same thing.
Go back to pin boys.
Now, I actually saw Luke Rosadal.
He had an absolutely phenomenal post on the FaceBase machine.
And he wrote, imagine bowling started...
with strings instead of free fall.
And then they say, Oh, we're going to let free fall in now.
And now all these guys got pins going everywhere.
And they're like, well, our balls are stuck now.
Hey, our machine broke down.
wait, we got to wait for the mechanic to fix something.
What is this messenger, this pin flying across the deck that I've never seen before in my life happen?
How does that happen?
And then they, you know, now you're just, he flipped it the other way.
Yeah.
And it's so true because my ball stuck.
There's a pin over here.
I need this.
Hey, off spot pin.
Oh, I got to wait for the mechanic to fix it.
Cause it knocked it over.
So, I mean,
He put a really good post out there.
It doesn't seem like he's indifferent for either.
I'm indifferent right now because I want to see it.
Like I said, social media people saying it should be out of major events.
I do agree with that.
Then it shouldn't be allowed, period.
No, absolutely it should be allowed.
What's the difference between major events and anything under it?
Uh...
bowling for real money.
When you bowl league, it's completely different.
This is a recreation.
For tournament bowlers, yes.
For tournament bowlers, yes.
The recreational league is very different from a tournament.
If it's a small tournament, a small center...
All right, we're going to have to move on in a minute.
But the problem I have with that is that if you turn this all into string pins, and you say, well, tournaments are different than leagues, well, you have leagues one day and tournaments the next.
Well, what I said is, I said in the text message earlier, was smaller events.
So when you're running a national tour stop or something that is the Masters, those need to be free fall.
And as you go into the small mom and pop or...
the smaller centers it should be already divided by lane patterns and now you're going to divide it even more it doesn't make any sense it should just be bowling as it is so what happens if the center of one of the tour stops wants to switch to right string pins okay they're they're gate kept into either being a pva stop you're no longer might as well put the clowns out on the lanes just like a circus carnival time
I mean, you know, Kyle, you make it sound so terrible.
I mean, but this is what always happens when new things are rolled out in any sport, in anything.
There's always going to be the naysayers.
Yeah, stupid football helmets.
The game would be safer without football helmets.
It's true.
Like a rugby.
Obviously, it's going to take a year or two to actually see the effects.
Fiscally, for your providers, amazing move.
If people want bowling to stay around in their area, mechanics are far and few in between.
Let's be completely honest here.
Kyle, you also know that.
So as a decision financially and to make it easier for yourself, if you have a small house and you don't have a lot of help because help is also hard to find, these make it right now from what we've seen and experienced or taught about.
That's what your salesperson has told you, right?
uh more people have told us about it we have we have contacted centers with string machines just to see if they're really telling us truth and guys said that they wish they did it years ago because it's so much easier um so it is what it is i like what anita says let's end it on anita's comment forget string setters versus free fall he just wants something that makes the gray boards okay
I think they call those bumpers.
All right.
We got to get to Andrew's question.
That was pretty good, Kyle.
Yeah, sure.
I thought you guys were going to box for a second.
No.
All right.
So one of our viewers, Andrew, sent us an email, and it's going to be his birthday coming up here.
Happy early birthday.
He is going to be 28 years old very shortly.
Happy mother effing birthday.
So he is going, uh, old enough to drink.
He's going to be, um, he, or he's going, he's looking for, uh, a 28 mil pattern for his 28th birthday.
If he can, if he can, uh, if we can find it, um, uh,
because his, uh, bowling center nearby is going to let him, uh, put a pattern out.
Um, so we wanted us to, uh, to give him some thoughts on that.
He's a speed dominant lower F player, or at least he thinks, um, and speed is somewhere between 18 and 20.
Um,
He's been bowling seriously for about two years.
I've been dealing with Bowler's elbow for the last two months, which I assume just means some pain in his elbow.
It's basically like a tennis elbow, I would assume.
It plays more down and in.
as opposed to hooking the lane.
Doesn't really open his angles too much.
Let's see here.
He wants to challenge himself and try out the challenge and sports shots for a while now.
He just wants us to pick up the pattern.
Yeah.
That he has a chance.
Hang on.
he wants to try something fun but doesn't want to throw a ball through the scoring monitors so and they've done that yeah the only issue that i found with uh something that's going to be 28 mils is that they all seem to be low ratio patterns the hard ones yes so if the higher volume patterns tend to be the lower ratio patterns which is the harder ones
So if you want something that's a little more middle of the road, we're probably going to have to find a challenge.
Yeah.
Challenge like four to one to six to one, which I did look.
Yeah, me too.
Which by the way, last week we talked about 10 pin toolkit.
So if you go to Andrew, if you go to 10 pin toolkit.com slash down lane, you can actually download the,
the app and go to the pattern library.
The 128 mil pattern that I found on there, because I
Do they have the kegel patterns on there?
Or do they do have them on there?
Anyway, the one that I found on there was the PWBA Twin Cities Open PTQ.
But that's 2.6 to 1.
So that's really hard.
And it's 47 feet.
So that would be really fun for you.
Really hard.
But anyway, did you find a challenge platform?
I didn't find a challenge shot.
I tried my best to get your numbers in there.
Um, I actually chose to kegel ones.
You're a little more down and in.
So I figured maybe move you to a little closer to the gutter, make it a little bit more, uh,
maybe a little bit more, uh, you know, to the right instead of the down and in second arrow, make it a little more uncomfortable.
Mrs. Left hooks a little too much.
Mrs. Then, you know, get some closer to the gutter, which is a little harder for guys who are down in.
I did choose Broadway V2.
It's 37 feet.
26 and a half mils.
I got you really close.
Um, but I got your drop brush at 36 and it's four and a half to one.
That is definitely hard enough.
I also found another one that you might like Mercury, uh, 40 feet, 25 and a half mils, but I got the eight in there on the drop brush.
It is 38.
So I did look, uh, at some stuff here that is Mercury.
And that is a five to one.
So if you want to move closer to the gutter, use Broadway V2.
Want to play closer to that gutter and really get yourself outside of your zone, which I'm assuming if you're down and you're looking at the second arrow, Broadway V2 is pretty good.
And if you want something that's kind of you can play close to the second arrow, but just give yourself less miss room than the house shot, then go with Mercury.
I like it a lot.
Yeah, those two are pretty good.
And we've used them on plenty of events before here, and they seem to play fair.
They're pretty fair scoring.
They're fair scoring.
They're fair shots.
Yeah, they're a good one.
Yeah, and your proprietor down there won't be, or wherever you are, won't be...
too pissed off probably about the amount of oil and or disrupting the house shot too much if he's a guy that pays attention well it would be depending on the oil they use as well because usually when i put the sport patterns out um when we practice on friday i actually use fire um we're using curve in the for the league players we use fire for the sport conditions because it's an easier clean um than the curve and it skids a little bit more too so uh believe it or not typically after we get done using fire scores tend to go up on those pairs for whatever reason
So they do, it does clean a little easier.
So it depends on what your center uses, but, um, I'm sure they, they have a system that they'll, they'll get you going with.
Uh, so yeah, go to the, uh, if you go to the Kegel pattern library, um, which I'm sure your proprietor is familiar with, you can check those out and then you can download them and upload them into the plane machine or enter it by hand.
Or he'll have to spray it, hand spray it.
Yeah.
That's a fun one, too.
You ever want something challenging?
That was a blast.
That was a good time.
50 mils.
28 mils, 28 feet.
And the ball went 60 feet for me.
Also, Mark's got one in there.
It's a youth open pattern.
Mark's pretty good at doing all that stuff.
Of course, he's got a 28 mil pattern.
Why wouldn't he?
No, he's got one that's from the USBC pattern.
Oh, okay.
That's not a hard one, though?
Usually, they're pretty fair.
He's usually very good at finding patterns.
So, Andrew, if you go on to our Facebook page under this video and look towards the end of the video, his comment will be there.
And he's even got the whole link in there and everything.
All right, guys.
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Thank you for untying my shoe, Anthony.
That's what he did down there.
Yes.
Let's see here.
Where was I?
I don't even know anymore.
Nice job.
Good show.
Don't forget, Austin will be dropping the next episode, episode two of Tonight We Bowl, which will be tonight's league.
Tonight We Bowl.
Going to try to get it out on Monday mornings.
Monday mornings is the plan.
for Austin.
I don't even know who we're bowling or where we're bowling tonight.
I'm bowling on 1718 with the new furniture, baby.
I've been taking a nap while I bowl.
Let's go.
We'll be bowling tonight and hopefully we bowl good and win so that Anthony will be in a good mood this week to get some good commentary because last episode I don't think all we got was his shots.
He didn't say a word.
I was also tired that night.
I was here until 2 a.m.
that night doing ball work.
I'm old now.
Get off my lawn.
He's got a pig now.
All right, guys.
Thank you to Jack Skatia, proprietor of Town & Country Lanes.
Did I say good show tonight, Austin?
Yeah, you did.
All right.
Thank you, Anthony, for another great show.
You're welcome.
Thank you to my family, Stephanie, Zach, and Ethan.
Thanks, Jambread.
We will see you guys next week.
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